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The Myth of Basic Science

Does scientific research drive innovation? Not very often, argues Matt Ridley: Technological evolution has a momentum of its own, and it has little to do with the abstractions of the lab

Innovation is a mysteriously difficult thing to dictate. Technology seems to change by a sort of inexorable, evolutionary progress, which we probably cannot stop—or speed up much either. And it’s not much the product of science. Most technological breakthroughs come from technologists tinkering, not from researchers chasing hypotheses. Heretical as it may sound, “basic science” isn’t nearly as productive of new inventions as we tend to think.

Suppose Thomas Edison had died of an electric shock before thinking up the light bulb. Would history have been radically different? Of course not. No fewer than 23 people deserve the credit for inventing some version of the incandescent bulb before Edison, according to a history of the invention written by Robert Friedel, Paul Israel and Bernard Finn.

The same is true of other inventions. Elisha Gray and Alexander Graham Bell filed for a patent on the telephone on the very same day. By the time Google came along in 1996, there were already scores of search engines. As Kevin Kelly documents in his book “What Technology Wants,” we know of six different inventors of the thermometer, three of the hypodermic needle, four of vaccination, five of the electric telegraph, four of photography, five of the steamboat, six of the electric railroad. The history of inventions, writes the historian Alfred Kroeber, is “one endless chain of parallel instances.”It is just as true in science as in technology. Boyle’s law in English-speaking countries is the same thing as Mariotte’s Law in French-speaking countries. Isaac Newton vented paroxysms of fury at Gottfried Leibniz for claiming, correctly, to have invented the calculus independently. Charles Darwin was prodded into publishing his theory at last by Alfred Russel Wallace, who had precisely the same idea after reading precisely the same book, Malthus’s “Essay on Population.”

Increasingly, technology is developing the kind of autonomy that hitherto characterized biological entities. The Stanford economist Brian Arthur argues that technology is self-organizing and can, in effect, reproduce and adapt to its environment. It thus qualifies as a living organism, at least in the sense that a coral reef is a living thing. Sure, it could not exist without animals (that is, people) to build and maintain it, but then that is true of a coral reef, too.

And who knows when this will no longer be true of technology, and it will build and maintain itself? To the science writer Kevin Kelly, the “technium”—his name for the evolving organism that our collective machinery comprises—is already “a very complex organism that often follows its own urges.” It “wants what every living system wants: to perpetuate itself.”

By 2010, the Internet had roughly as many hyperlinks as the brain has synapses. Today, a significant proportion of the whispering in the cybersphere originates in programs—for monitoring, algorithmic financial trading and other purposes—rather than in people. It is already virtually impossible to turn the Internet off.

The implications of this new way of seeing technology—as an autonomous, evolving entity that continues to progress whoever is in charge—are startling. People are pawns in a process. We ride rather than drive the innovation wave. Technology will find its inventors, rather than vice versa. Short of bumping off half the population, there is little that we can do to stop it from happening, and even that might not work.Indeed, the history of technological prohibitions is revealing. The Ming Chinese prohibited large ships; the Shogun Japanese, firearms; the medieval Italians, silk-spinning; Americans in the 1920s, alcohol. Such prohibitions can last a long time—three centuries in the case of the Chinese and Japanese examples—but eventually they come to an end, so long as there is competition. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world, these technologies continued to grow.

Today it is impossible to imagine software development coming to a halt. Somewhere in the world, a nation will harbor programmers, however strongly, say, the U.N. tries to enforce a ban on software development. The idea is absurd, which makes my point.

It is easier to prohibit technological development in larger-scale technologies that require big investments and national regulations. So, for example, Europe has fairly successfully maintained a de facto ban on genetic modification of crops for two decades in the name of the “precautionary principle”—the idea that any possibility of harm, however remote, should scuttle new technology—and it looks as if it may do the same for shale gas. But even here, there is no hope of stopping these technologies globally.

And if there is no stopping technology, perhaps there is no steering it either. In Mr. Kelly’s words, “the technium wants what evolution began.” Technological change is a far more spontaneous phenomenon than we realize. Out with the heroic, revolutionary story of the inventor, in with the inexorable, incremental, inevitable creep of innovation.

Simultaneous discovery and invention mean that both patents and Nobel Prizes are fundamentally unfair things. And indeed, it is rare for a Nobel Prize not to leave in its wake a train of bitterly disappointed individuals with very good cause to be bitterly disappointed.

Patents and copyright laws grant too much credit and reward to individuals and imply that technology evolves by jerks. Recall that the original rationale for granting patents was not to reward inventors with monopoly profits but to encourage them to share their inventions. A certain amount of intellectual property law is plainly necessary to achieve this. But it has gone too far. Most patents are now as much about defending monopoly and deterring rivals as about sharing ideas. And that discourages innovation.

Even the most explicit paper or patent application fails to reveal nearly enough to help another to retrace the steps through the maze of possible experiments. One study of lasers found that blueprints and written reports were quite inadequate to help others copy a laser design: You had to go and talk to the people who had done it. So a patent often does not achieve the openness that it is supposed to but instead hinders progress.

The economist Edwin Mansfield of the University of Pennsylvania studied the development of 48 chemical, pharmaceutical, electronic and machine goods in New England in the 1970s. He found that, on average, it cost 65% as much money and 70% as much time to copy products as to invent them. And this was among specialists with technical expertise. So even with full freedom to copy, firms would still want to break new ground. Commercial companies do basic research because they know it enables them to acquire the tacit knowledge that assists further innovation.

Politicians believe that innovation can be turned on and off like a tap: You start with pure scientific insights, which then get translated into applied science, which in turn become useful technology. So what you must do, as a patriotic legislator, is to ensure that there is a ready supply of money to scientists on the top floor of their ivory towers, and lo and behold, technology will come clanking out of the pipe at the bottom of the tower.

This linear model of how science drives innovation and prosperity goes right back to Francis Bacon, the early 17th-century philosopher and statesman who urged England to catch up with the Portuguese in their use of science to drive discovery and commercial gain. Supposedly Prince Henry the Navigator in the 15th century had invested heavily in mapmaking, nautical skills and navigation, which resulted in the exploration of Africa and great gains from trade. That is what Bacon wanted to copy.

Yet recent scholarship has exposed this tale as a myth, or rather a piece of Prince Henry’s propaganda. Like most innovation, Portugal’s navigational advances came about by trial and error among sailors, not by speculation among astronomers and cartographers. If anything, the scientists were driven by the needs of the explorers rather than the other way around.

Terence Kealey, a biochemist turned economist, tells this story to illustrate how the linear dogma so prevalent in the world of science and politics—that science drives innovation, which drives commerce—is mostly wrong. It misunderstands where innovation comes from. Indeed, it generally gets it backward.

When you examine the history of innovation, you find, again and again, that scientific breakthroughs are the effect, not the cause, of technological change. It is no accident that astronomy blossomed in the wake of the age of exploration. The steam engine owed almost nothing to the science of thermodynamics, but the science of thermodynamics owed almost everything to the steam engine. The discovery of the structure of DNA depended heavily on X-ray crystallography of biological molecules, a technique developed in the wool industry to try to improve textiles.

Technological advances are driven by practical men who tinkered until they had better machines; abstract scientific rumination is the last thing they do. As Adam Smith, looking around the factories of 18th-century Scotland, reported in “The Wealth of Nations”: “A great part of the machines made use in manufactures…were originally the inventions of common workmen,” and many improvements had been made “by the ingenuity of the makers of the machines.”

It follows that there is less need for government to fund science: Industry will do this itself. Having made innovations, it will then pay for research into the principles behind them. Having invented the steam engine, it will pay for thermodynamics. This conclusion of Mr. Kealey’s is so heretical as to be incomprehensible to most economists, to say nothing of scientists themselves.

For more than a half century, it has been an article of faith that science would not get funded if government did not do it, and economic growth would not happen if science did not get funded by the taxpayer. It was the economist Robert Solow who demonstrated in 1957 that innovation in technology was the source of most economic growth—at least in societies that were not expanding their territory or growing their populations. It was his colleagues Richard Nelson and Kenneth Arrow who explained in 1959 and 1962, respectively, that government funding of science was necessary, because it is cheaper to copy others than to do original research.

“The problem with the papers of Nelson and Arrow,” writes Mr. Kealey, “was that they were theoretical, and one or two troublesome souls, on peering out of their economists’ aeries, noted that in the real world, there did seem to be some privately funded research happening.” He argues that there is still no empirical demonstration of the need for public funding of research and that the historical record suggests the opposite.

Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson stopped by the WSJ Café to discuss interplanetary travel, the “Star Wars” trailer, and the new season of his National Geographic Channel show “StarTalk.” Photo: Carly Marsh/The Wall Street Journal

After all, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the U.S. and Britain made huge contributions to science with negligible public funding, while Germany and France, with hefty public funding, achieved no greater results either in science or in economics. After World War II, the U.S. and Britain began to fund science heavily from the public purse. With the success of war science and of Soviet state funding that led to Sputnik, it seemed obvious that state funding must make a difference.

The true lesson—that Sputnik relied heavily on Robert Goddard’s work, which had been funded by the Guggenheims—could have gone the other way. Yet there was no growth dividend for Britain and America from this science-funding rush. Their economies grew no faster than they had before.

In 2003, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development published a paper on the “sources of economic growth in OECD countries” between 1971 and 1998 and found, to its surprise, that whereas privately funded research and development stimulated economic growth, publicly funded research had no economic impact whatsoever. None. This earthshaking result has never been challenged or debunked. It is so inconvenient to the argument that science needs public funding that it is ignored.

In 2007, the economist Leo Sveikauskas of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics concluded that returns from many forms of publicly financed R&D are near zero and that “many elements of university and government research have very low returns, overwhelmingly contribute to economic growth only indirectly, if at all.”

As the economist Walter Park of American University in Washington, D.C., concluded, the explanation for this discrepancy is that public funding of research almost certainly crowds out private funding. That is to say, if the government spends money on the wrong kind of science, it tends to stop researchers from working on the right kind of science.

To most people, the argument for public funding of science rests on a list of the discoveries made with public funds, from the Internet (defense science in the U.S.) to the Higgs boson (particle physics at CERN in Switzerland). But that is highly misleading. Given that government has funded science munificently from its huge tax take, it would be odd if it had not found out something. This tells us nothing about what would have been discovered by alternative funding arrangements.

And we can never know what discoveries were not made because government funding crowded out philanthropic and commercial funding, which might have had different priorities. In such an alternative world, it is highly unlikely that the great questions about life, the universe and the mind would have been neglected in favor of, say, how to clone rich people’s pets.

The perpetual-innovation machine that feeds economic growth and generates prosperity is not the result of deliberate policy at all, except in a negative sense. Governments cannot dictate either discovery or invention; they can only make sure that they don’t hinder it. Innovation emerges unbidden from the way that human beings freely interact if allowed. Deep scientific insights are the fruits that fall from the tree of technological change.

Mr. Ridley is the author of “The Evolution of Everything: How New Ideas Emerge,” to be published next week by Harper (which, like The Wall Street Journal, is owned by News Corp). He is a member of the British House of Lords.

Часть комментариев

Thomas Hager 42 minutes ago

Mr. Ridley’s odd, rambling, piece mixes attacks on government funding for basic research (getting wrong both why it exists and how it’s done) with sideswipes at everything from patents to Nobel Prizes. Basic research (which Mr. Ridley locates high in ivory towers) and technological innovation (which apparently is done in garages) are interdependent, and always have been. You need both. The problem is that private industry spends only about 4 percent of its R&D budgets on basic research, the other 96 percent on the development and applications — as you would expect. Somebody has to do the basic stuff; as Mr. Ridley states in a key sentence buried in the middle of his piece, «Commercial companies do basic research because they know it enables them to acquire the tacit knowledge that assists further innovation.» Got that right — it’s why the government supports basic research.

Robert Dunki-Jacobs 45 minutes ago

Please, let us not conflate Discovery and Invention.

One can not invent a fundamental particle (Higgs boson), the Theory of Special Relativity, DNA, and genomes.  These were discovered by hypothesis and experimental validation. They make-up the theoretical world of science. A world that has consistently provided keen insights that inventors and technologists access.

 

One can, however, invent the Internet, airplanes, rockets, cell phones, and all of the devices and systems that make-up the commercial world of technology and science.

 

Discovery is very expensive and contributes to the betterment of all mankind. It cannot flourish in a purely commercial realm.  Government funding of Discovery makes sense.

 

Invention, at the end of the day, creates commercially viable products.  Patents, assure the inventor a mechanism to recover the expense and time involved in creating the product.  Without that, there is no enduring incentive.

Edison did not «invent» the light bulb out of altruism!

LEE BARNETT 2 minutes ago

@Robert Dunki-Jacobs «Government funding of Discovery makes sense.» A little more than cents… $29.7 Billion cents worth in the 2015 budget.

Robert Dunki-Jacobs 1 hour ago

«So a patent often does not achieve the openness that it is supposed to but instead hinders progress.»

As an industrial inventor, I posit that patents do just the opposite.  Finding new, novel, and sometimes better or more elegant ways to solve a problem to work around one or more patents creates an alternative path to the same end.

 

At the end of the day, market forces will determine which path is most successful.  Edison had huge financial backing and even politically connected benefactors behind his DC transmission system.  Westinghouse had none of this when he was promoting Tesla’s AC transmission system.  In the end, AC was simpler, more elegant, and more reliable. It became the medium of choice.  Despite Edison’s enviable track record as an inventor and his substantial financial and political backing.

This is the technological equivalent of survival of the fittest.

Patents are an important part of the environment that drives innovation, not the enemy of innovation.

Brien Akers 1 hour ago

We now know that public funding of scientific research often results in the co-opting of science by politics. Perhaps the best example of this is the current climate debate. If you receive public funding for doing Climate science(think every public university with an Earth Sciences department), you literally get run out out town for insisting on the integrity of the scientific method, which insists on skepticism not consensus, and which finds the current politicization of climate science simply disgusting. Mr. Ridley’s thesis indeed does not go far enough. Public funding of science can and often does result in the corrupting of science. The long term results of this specter can only be imagined.

Raphael Avital 1 hour ago

«Given that government has funded science munificently from its huge tax take, it would be odd if it had not found out something. This tells us nothing about what would have been discovered by alternative funding arrangements.»

And alternative funding arrangements would have told us nothing about what could have been discovered through government funding of scientific research.

It’s not as if government funding forbids any other funding source for alternative research.

The author is trying to make what seems like a valid point, and doing it poorly. Maybe it requires more than what practical limitations of a single op-ed.

John Pombrio 1 hour ago

Not a word about military R&D spending. Y’know, the people that gave us the internet, GPS, autonomous vehicles, the Hubble space telescope (from the Keyhole telescopes), the first decent working airplane, deep sea exploration (the submarine), container ships, the «general staff» concept of running a company, radar, precision clocks, computer chips, software programming, the first computers, nuclear power generation, the ISS, and about a million ways to kill people. What a crock of an article.

Terry P. Carriker 1 hour ago

Most Conservatives are  science deniers.  Check their record.

Gary Sweeten 1 hour ago

I who still claims that «Having a baby» means that the woman is actually carrying a blob of cells that are not living?

Which is it that confuses computer generated climate changes with thermometers?

Who is it that claimed the Piltdown Man was a real fossil?

Who was it that denied the Big Bang until a few years ago because it smacked too much of Genesis?

All Leftists!

Charles Davis 1 hour ago

It strikes me that there is a misleading picture behind both Ridley’s argument and the position he opposes best captured in the phrase «perpetual-innovation machine».

Innovation whether theoretical or practical is the serendipitous product of the swirl of unpredictable human interactions, both direct and indirect. Linearity and talk of mechanism is at best an ordering imposed after the fact with the benefit of hindsight. Deep insights flow from great determined efforts, and the daydreaming of bored patent clerks, and overflowing bathtubs, and all the nooks and crannies of human endeavors.

The greatest enemy of innovations is the confident assertion that we have things figured out and know which way to go. It is also the best predictor of shocking surprise.

To those who humbug basic research as too costly I suggest mediating on this picture of our past:

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=hubble+deep+field+image&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

James Bennewitz 2 hours ago

What a great photograph of Thomas Edison in 1917.  Is that a wine bottle on his lab bench?

Tim Dereg 2 hours ago

Ridley’s whole thesis is to hand the conservative movement another club with which to beat down anyone claiming that science is a good investment for government backing.  It parallels perfectly the GOP’s belief in anti-science and even anti-intellectualism, where education leads to being a stooge for unnamed forces of evil.

DAVID SCHMIDT 1 hour ago

You would think that, but you would be wrong. Democrats proclaim they are the party of science, yet they stop Keystone with lies about science.

Chris Sykes 12 minutes ago

@DAVID SCHMIDT

Research demonstrates that Conservatives are much more likely to view science from an ideological perspective.

For example 87% of scientists believe that human-affected climate change is indisputable, a view accepted by 78% of Liberals, and only 10% of Conservatives.

Why are conservatives so closely linked to Climate Change deniers? Why are conservatives championing Creationism, and insisting it be given the same weight as The Theory of Evolution and taught alongside each other in Biology classes?

Why? Because science has become politicized. And it is well documented that Conservatives are far more likely to look at science from an ideological perspective, rather than a scientific basis, than other groups.

«Liberal and moderate support for science has remained essentially flat since 1974, according to Gordon Gauchat, a sociologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill,» while only 34% of conservatives trust science — down 28% since 1974.

William King 26 minutes ago

@Tim Dereg

 

I will believe claims that government spending on science is a good investment the day they can tell me what their return on investment is. Until then, I will remain skeptical that an entity that has little or no transparency, accountability or profit motive is spending my money wisely.

Noelle Ibrahim 2 hours ago

Does Mr. Ridley understand what a correlation is, can he  measure the time periods for the returns about which he speaks? Economists and historians with political or sociological backgrounds have a concept of «understanding», «reason» and «credibility » are vastly different from those required to evaluate mathematical arguments, science and technology and perhaps arguably even economics as it becomes based more and more upon data and empirical observation

Noelle Ibrahim 2 hours ago

To such persons «credibility» is based on qualitative appearances, subjective arguments and political clout, not detailed and rigorous argument utilizing measurements, controlled experiments and numbers. He spends half of the article arguing about who gets credit for what technological innovation and whether a different inventor could have possessed the honour of credit for the idea, presumably to show that the source of funding (public or private) cannot be easily shown to be necessarily public. But he does not analyse the bedrock of the invention from a scientific standpoint anywhere in the article as much of it would trace back to basic E&M and chemistry in other words «fundamental science» discovered a hundred years earlier and much of it through public funding. For example, his OECD article points out that the U.S.’ economic growth pulled ahead of that of developing nations in the late 90s.

Noelle Ibrahim 2 hours ago

This may very well be because of the advent of the internet, which he himself claims came from publicly funded research activity. He simultaneously claims that the Higgs Boson and the Internet are two of few discoveries that can be attributed to ROI on public funding — but how does he define his return when the many private companies and other technological advances that contributed to economic growth in the U.S. rely upon the publicly funded invention of the internet? He presents no empirical evidence, but only alludes to its existence and his arguments seem easy to knock down. I think this man does not have enough education in empirical methods, arguments, science and technology to be expounding upon how spending should take place, based on his entertaining history essay.

Rick Williams 2 hours ago

Mr. Riley is so right.  Science does not spawn innovation.  Innovation happens when someone sets out to solve a problem or provide a needed service.  Trial and error leads to discovery.  Once as «solution» is discovered refinements and improvements continues to drive further innovation.

Years ago I headed up an R&D and product development  department in a large corporation.  I hired a PhD physicist who was brilliant and in his off time worked on the proof of the unified field theory of physics.  He authored many technical papers, but never developed anything of value for the company.  It was the engineers in the department that produced the results.

Noelle Ibrahim 2 hours ago

@Rick Williams The timescale is not immediate. This is not the same as publicly funded research because the time scales and sizes of the payouts are different. The Manhattan project contributed to the defeat of the Nazis — you hiring anyone for a job like that? They needed Feynman and Oppenheimer.

Barbara Gordon 3 hours ago

Mr. Ridley is obviously a very clever person.  Such a pity that he argues against investing in basic scientific research.  In my opinion (and bear in mind that his article is an opinion piece, there is little empirical evidence that he is right.) he is wrong. I am not persuaded by his lengthy article.  There are too many variables to come to any of the the conclusions that he arrives at.  If it had any validity, then poor nations that don’t do any basic research would be as prosperous as the developed nations.

Wyckham Seelig 4 hours ago

David Noble’s book «Forces of Production—A Social History of Industrial Automation»  makes a  similar point about the evolution of technology.  The book chronicles the development of computer controlled machine tools, and early-on makes the observation that «Historically, improvements in the design of general-purpose machine tools (lathes, milling machines, drills, planers, etc.) had been made primarily by men who either were at the time or at one time had been machinists themselves …»

D. Scott Stewart 4 hours ago

This is a really truly stupid premise. I will identify my self and a practicing engineer scientist with more than 30 years experience, whose hobby is history of science. OK that said. Look .. it is true that people invent things. But the great acceleration of invention AND science is based on the rigors of science and the FACT THAT WE CAN CALCULATE THINGS! As an acolyte of Feynmann (one of my heroes) I recite that physics and engineering and now chemistry and now biology — are based in PHYSICS and its scope is informed by the mathematical structure physical law that has to be discovered, and or principles. Every revolution is associate with orders of magnitude resolution, that is usually suggested by theoretical science way before it is realized by invention. EG. the transistor, the list is enumerable. This central premise of this article is sort of dumb. This is really stupid forgive me for being so negative about someone I dont know. Best

David McQueen 4 hours ago

@D. Scott Stewart  I agree.  The first clue I got was the picture of Neil deGrasse Tyson, a pop scientist who is also a rabid «anthropogenic global warming» advocate.  The political use of «science» became more prevalent when it became possible to convince legislatures to grant millions of dollars for any research that sounded «cool».

D. Scott Stewart 4 hours ago

@David McQueen @D. Scott Stewart Yup, All about money and fame and TV time. deGrasse Nova was terrible BTW, just awful. I tried to watch it but could not and was sad about it. He is sort of close to Bill Nye the Science Guy who has a Masters Degree in Civil Engineering (I guess). Best and thanks — Scott

Benjamin Anderson 2 hours ago

@D. Scott Stewart @David McQueen What both of you say seems to line up with the piece.  Yes deGrasse Tyson is a pop star more than a scientist.  And yes, when politicians fund the science the science then becomes political.  Which is the whole point of the piece.  Most government funding of research is inefficient.  It is spent on pop culture/fame/cool based ideas and yields nothing of commercial value.  There is only one area where government research leads to economic growth, military research.

 

And the transistor supports Ridley’s points.  The first useful transistor was developed by a tinkerer in an industrial lab.  And that wasn’t even the first transistor.  The original (as best we can tell) was developed in 1925 in Canada and was rediscovered a couple of times afterwards.  And the basic science followed the invention, not the other way around.

Scott Guthery 3 hours ago

@D. Scott Stewart

It seems to me that the transistor makes Ridley’s point.  It was discovered by tinkering.  The basic science came after, not before, its discovery. What came before was the crystal radio. Morely, Faraday, Cooke, Priestly, and Mendeleev were tinkerers all.  With regards to mathematics, almost all scientists of whatever stripe invent their own as needed and just in time.  They don’t spend time plumbing the current scholarly mathematical literature looking for what they need. Much of today’s basic science seems totally detached from reality.  It exists only in computer simulations. It is unlikely that the school of engineering turns to Physical Review Letters for guidance.

Noelle Ibrahim 2 hours ago

@Scott Guthery @D. Scott Stewart Scott Stewart, have you ever practiced any engineering? Most of use spend years sweating to learn all the mathematics we can before getting into research departments at the engineering school.

D. Scott Stewart 1 hour ago

@Scott Guthery @D. Scott Stewart OK you missed this obvious point that the transistor relies on solid state physics and that relied on theories from Quantum mechanics. John Bardeen of course was a solid state physicist and so the point, that I did not elaborate was that you dont have the transistor until Plank and Einstein establish quantum mechanics. Everyone gets that I think, at least I hope so. No it is not true that everyone invent their own mathematics. Mathematics (at least counting mathematics, by enumeration that included computing and even differential equations, so that is both discrete and continuous mathematics) usually is developed based on various physics.  Famously Einstein used differential Geometry for the General theory of relativity that was developed way ahead of his use. Etc .. Anyways the article stinks. Best and cheers

Noelle Ibrahim 1 hour ago

@D. Scott Stewart @Scott Guthery The normalization constant for the quantum path integral on the surface of a sphere was found by Hagen Kleinert (or so he claims) in 1989. He’s a theoretical physicist who works at a «Freie Universitat».

bruce strong 5 hours ago

Government funds many things, some work others don’t… It’s called being in the right place at the right time and those who think otherwise are doomed to failure. Inventing something useful is not what governments are all about, they are only providing an incentive to create something which may be useful to others. Insisting that science should be funded by governments in order to enable private investors to create a new wig-it is rather simple minded, I must say…

Carl Tropper 5 hours ago

Computers without transistors (invented by a physicist), bridges without the mathematics to express the forces involved, space travel without the physics and mathematics. to express the forces involved?

 

This book and article are written by someone who does not understand the inter-twining of the two.

Kevin Snyder 5 hours ago

@Carl Tropper I can build a bridge while knowing nothing of mathematics.

William Schulze 4 hours ago

@Kevin Snyder Maybe a bridge across the ditch in your back yard, but not a real bridge. You be blown away at the math and science involved in designing something like the Golden Gate bridge.

Kevin Snyder 2 hours ago

@William Schulze @Kevin Snyder A bridge is a bridge. Did you ever build bridges and dams as a young Schulze, or did you sit in front of a TV and listen to people saying «You can’t?» Do you suppose that early Man just got to a river and said»Oh, we can’t go any farther because the Phoenicians haven’t invented algebra yet?»

 

I repeat: I can build a bridge without math, and I will bet you the next year’s paychecks. Are we on? I can throw a log over a stream in about 2 minutes.

 

Kevin Snyder 2 hours ago

@William Schulze @Kevin Snyder Also -«you be blown away» at English grammar. Don’t insult someone else’s intelligence if you can’t be bothered to proofread your own posts.

Joe Nussbaum 5 hours ago

@Carl Tropper I think you are right about the inter-twining, but I don’t think the author is criticizing basic math and basic science as taught to students.  The title of the editorial is misleading.  I think his point is that public funding, primarily through research at universities, is not the main driver of innovation of technology.

Hyun Smith 4 hours ago

@Joe Nussbaum @Carl Tropper

 

The Article itself isn’t well written or organized leading to more confusion,  somewhat understandable as there are many points the author is trying to cover in a short format but it should’ve had more editorial help.

Benjamin Anderson 2 hours ago

@Carl Tropper And the mathematics followed those inventions, not preceded them.  You have your history backwards.